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Oleg Pariyev2020-01-22 06:28:43
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Oleg Pariyev, 2020-01-22 06:28:43

College or 11 for a programmer?

Good afternoon!
At the moment I’m finishing the 9th grade, I want to leave after it and try to be a programmer, but my parents are trying to leave me at 11 with all the truth and no. I used to want to go to 11, but I realized that they won’t teach anything in my Navozovsk. During these 9 years of study, the maximum that we did was half a year of KuMir and half a year of Pascal. The rest of the 8 years is kicking something and learning SS.
Please write only from personal experience. Any criticism is accepted and taken into account.

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Anita Kovaleva, 2020-01-22
@Anitamsk

What's stopping you from finishing your studies up to 11, then enrolling in absentia in some supernumerary university, studying quietly for 4 years and at the same time gaining experience in a specialized job, while classmates study Pascal and sorting arrays while sitting in a lecture.
You overestimate a higher education for a programmer in general (in fact, you will need it if you plan to jump into a good position in some kind of enterprise office or a management position).
Kill two birds with one stone - get a tower, and to it 4 years of work on the profile = PROFIT. You have 2 years to learn up to the June of the programming stack you need (so that after graduating from grade 11 and applying for a part-time job - show your skills and "portfolio" from pet projects to a potential employer), and not fill up the exam (although if you to act in absentia - you will really not need points).

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Peter, 2020-01-22
@petermzg

From my life experience and being in your situation now, I would start working instead of going to 11th grade or college.
Grade 11, college and institute did not give me any new knowledge. All the necessary knowledge was obtained independently.
But to start working for someone, you need knowledge and experience, especially if you are not yet 18 years old. Getting officially settled at that age will be a problem.

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Ronald McDonald, 2020-01-22
@Zoominger

I realized that in my Navozovsk

I wonder why all the collective farmers who believe in themselves hate their hometown so much? It doesn't make you look good, quite the opposite.
On the topic - any education is good, study and don't listen to the site-climbers who don't need it and they think it's the same everywhere.

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Sergey, 2020-01-22
@Shull

Good afternoon!
First, I'll say it straight - you're doing great if you're already thinking about your education.
About me - I'm 36, I graduated from the 11th grade, university (I'm a teacher), now I changed my specialization and teach children computer science.
For starters, learn the program for grades 8 and 9. Take textbooks of grades 8-9 and stupidly study them. There are number systems, logic, algorithms, and yes, Pascal. Which, by the way, is nothing wrong. This will serve as a strong base. I, at one time, did not learn this and now I often suffer from shit coding (even now!)
At the same time, reassure your parents. They worry about you, because before (30 years ago), after the 9th grade, stupid suckers left. They just don't want their son to be seen as a dumb sucker. In college, you will also study history, Russian, and even philosophy (seriously!).
Finally - in general, it is possible in 10-11 grade. There is a VERY good program in computer science. For example, right now, I'm explaining to a student about binary tree traversal. Becoming a programmer, you still have to learn all this. Otherwise, the fate of thousands of graduates of shitty coding schools awaits you.

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Lone Ice, 2020-01-22
@daemonhk

It all depends on what you are going to "program". If sites, then specialized education is not needed at all.

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Hlib, 2020-01-22
@Mysianio

Most importantly, do not overestimate yourself, talk as if you are in the worst possible situation.
I don't know about you, but there are a lot of people out there who fly in the beckoning world and are actively supported, for some reason.
In any case, education will give you practically nothing, on the contrary, it will distract you. But nevertheless, this is a good safety cushion if something does not work out for you for a while.
And these cries that at the age of 15-16 start studying / working (!?) and jumping to June are very strange, you will need a lot of perseverance and, most importantly, good luck to get a position at 18-19 years old.
At the expense of the exam, study, it’s really possible to learn a passing grade in a year, even if you are an absolute zero.
And once again, studying will not give you anything, except for some interesting acquaintances (Also a job fair) and a crust bonus

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Denis Kainazarov, 2020-01-22
@iit

At one time there was no money for college and therefore I went to the 10th grade (it was possible to leave after the 9th).
Basically 10 and 11 is preparation for the exam.
After 10 I went to college and so there was the same Pascal, the basics of c ++ and asm and the very basics
- algebraic logic
- algorithms
- flowcharts
- data structures
- databases
- operations on data
In my days there was no Google to get this knowledge myself . But already in the 2nd year, I realized that Delphi (ObjectPascal) is not something you can earn money on, you need to learn other languages.
Someone taught Java, someone Python, one ActionScript (Flash) guy, there was even one Genius who gnawed assembler and I started learning PHP / JS.
In general, apart from basic knowledge, the college will not give much, and the university, too.
True, there you can already begin to develop connections and assemble your team, that's all the pluses.
It’s better to find books on the net for courses and study them (all the more you still have to), for example, now I’m gnawing graph databases ( OrientDB ) on Udemy and at the same time picking express.js + mongoDb.
So education is only needed to chew on basic knowledge and theory. If there is a theory and basic knowledge, then it is more for show (Large companies like that all employees have a higher education)
So study the job market in your city and study what they require.
PHP / JS is a quick start, in half a year it’s really possible to learn and get a job as a junior / freelancer (web macaque)
Python is now a trend for data analysis and neurons - but this is not for wimps, it will take 2-3 years to delve into all this, salaries are on average 30% higher than that of web macaques.
Java is the banking sector, large enterprise solutions, and Android. The complexity is not much more difficult than Python, but it is more difficult to get a job, though the positions and salary are very tasty.

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Puma Thailand, 2020-01-25
@opium

In general, no matter what, in shit college they won’t teach you anything either, so self-study is in hand

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